Episode 84 - How To Take Up Space as a Woman of Color with Dr. Greta Anderson
The painful truth? This world is designed to keep women of color small.
This is why I’m incredibly driven to shine the spotlight on women of color making real, powerful, and proven impact on the world. Because PR is all about amplifying your mission, your voice, and YOU.
But before PR can lift you up on the world’s stage, you need to feel empowered to take up space first.
Joining me on this episode is Dr. Greta Anderson. She’s an incredible golf educator and coach, who isn’t just making her mark as a woman in this male-dominated industry, but she’s also making one of the whitest sports on earth more inclusive as a woman of color.
Dr. Greta Anderson, one of the OG’s of our community, shares how you can grow beyond your struggles, no matter how daunting the challenge seems to be. Tune in as she shares her story as an underrepresented outlier in her industry, and how PR helped her re-write the narrative, shine a spotlight on her and her community, and how you can take up space unapologetically, too.
Topics We Cover in This Episode:
Why you’re the best person to tell your own story
The non-traditional ways PR can benefit your business
How PR is a social justice tool
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Here’s a glance at this episode…
[1:35] We all know the value of PR, but PR for many of us, particularly as small business owners, have oftentimes seen this thing that’s kind of far away and expensive, and for a select group of people or a select class of business. And I realized that, kind of like a lot of other things in life, it is up to me to be my own advocate, to be my best advocate. No one knows my story better than me. No one knows my passion better than me.
[7:35] You have to shine a light on the ugly to get it out of the way. We know that golf has been loaded with some baggage and some history that has not been very good. It was not a very welcoming sport historically to people who were not white and not male. And as a woman of color, I’m an exception. There are many brown and black people in golf right now, but we’re still the exception.
[11:06] Social justice is real. I mean, we belong here. And so that is my little corner of the world to make a difference, and that’s what I’m here for.
[13:32] One of the most powerful lessons and assets that I’ve gained from using the CPR method is to think of how I can use my knowledge and skill set to serve other people. Because at the end of the day, when I’m communicating with a podcast host or a journalist, or publication, I won’t say they don’t care about me, but they don’t care about me right? So how can I help them better serve their audience?
[17:25] Put your best foot forward and remember that what you say is going to stay out there.
[20:17] The more that we realize that the world is our oyster, and even if you make a beauty product, it’s not just you talking about makeup, right? It could be about sustainability. It could be about representation. It could be about different shades of foundation. Your world just starts to expand.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:08 Gloria Chou: I'm so giddy right now because we have one of the OG's from our community, Dr Greta Anderson, who has been on the podcast before.
She's been on my Facebook group. You might have seen her on the lives and people just love her.
And I'm sure that even if today is your first time encountering her, you will also fall in love with her wisdom, her kind heart and all the things that she has to share about starting pr later in life, how to take up space and own your voice for a source of social good. So, welcome to the show again, Greta.
01:39 Dr. Greta Anderson: Hey Gloria, so good to be here. Thank you for having me.
01:43 Gloria Chou:
So I'm just so proud of your journey, right? So, you're a golf educator. You are an incredible educator and I want to say, coach for so many people as well, you're making one of the widest sports on earth, more inclusive, making it more easy for beginners to enjoy golf. And I just love what you're doing because there's not a lot of golfers who look like you, to be honest.
02:05 Dr. Greta Anderson:
No, they're not we're, we're working hard to introduce people to the game and as I like to say, help people fall in love with this amazing game. But that's a process. And so that's what I'm here for. Yeah
02:17 Gloria Chou: I mean, it must not be easy to start pr later in life and also advocate for yourself when you don't see yourself reflected. So can you just walk me through a real quick recap on why, you know, obviously you've tried all the things, you know, social media and news that you are used to.
Why did you decide to do pr for yourself? And also all the games that you just, you can start to like list all the places that you can feature. So why did you do pr and all the wins?
02:40 Dr. Greta Anderson: Well, I realized that the, the value of pr I mean, we all know the value of pr but pr for many of us, particularly as small business owners has oftentimes seen that this thing that's kind of far away and expensive and you know, for a select group of people or a select class of business. And I realized that kind of like a lot of other things in life.
It is up to me to be my own advocate, to be my best advocate. No one knows my story better than me. No one knows my passion better than me and no one knows my plans for the trajectory of my business or my organization better than me. So I figured, hey, why not tell my story, use my voice to make it happen. And, that's been a game changer.
03:24 Gloria Chou: Literally
03:25 Dr. Greta Anderson: Literally,literally, literally, right, literally and figuratively. Yeah.
03:27 Gloria Chou: So you started here later in life. You didn't know it was old.
03:30 Dr. Greta Anderson: I'm not that old, but yes, I know what you mean. I'm just joking there.
03:34 Gloria Chou: Yes, you start, you know, in your thirties, not in your 20 is what I mean.
03:35 Dr. Greta Anderson: Correct. There you go. There you go. No. You know, I'm very proud of, I'm very proud of all the years that God has blessed me with and I'm sitting here. Right. Yeah, I'm 52. I don't shy away from it.
03:46 Gloria Chou: I, you're more fit than I will be on my most fittest day. So, there you go.
03:50 Dr. Greta Anderson: Well, we'll just keep working one day at a time. But yeah, but so yeah, so I did start, you know, as compared to many people.
Yes, I started this, this part of my journey with pr later in life because as a business owner I've had businesses for years and I tell people like I had one Twitter follower and two people on Facebook for, for a long time until I decided to be intentional about this. Yeah.
04:14 Gloria Chou: Yeah. That's inspiring and empowering. And so before we get into the mindset of what you've done and how you can help others. Can you just list off all the places you've been featured and all the opportunities that you've had from? Pr?
04:26 Dr. Greta Anderson: Sure. Well, I love the medium of the podcast, the modality of the podcast. So I should know that number, but I've been on a lot of podcasts and I love it so much that I started my own. Right.
Let's see, and so I've been featured in, in women's golf. I'm an expert contributor there sports air TV, golf dot com, which is the digital version of golf magazine, which many golfers will know about. I'm leaving out a bunch of different things. I'm a global diversity ambassador for Titleist number one ball in golf. Number one for love them again, I'm leaving out a few. Oh, we are all certified, right.
05:07 Gloria Chou: You also have paid sponsorships that you got, right.
05:11 Dr. Greta Anderson: So I have paid sponsorship. So I'm, I'm a, I'm a coach with Coterie, which is a women's community for helping getting women involved in, as they term it country club, sports, of course golfie. And one of those we're getting out and helping people to just get a club in their hands. It doesn't always have to be perfect. It doesn't always have to be called, it doesn't cost money to just try it out a little bit. Golf can be a little bit. You know, pricey at times, depending on how you choose to do it.
But it's a way to help you create community and get into, into the game. I'm also, I've been a long time user and coach with Seymour Putter, so I'm a certified Seymour putting instructor, I focus on the things that I really, know and love and do about golf and I don't just take at, you know, sponsorships and partnerships just for the heck of it.
It's things that I believe in, like, for example, with Tyler, I've used them as a player for decades. I've worn their shoes, I've worn their clothes. So it makes perfect sense. But yeah, so I've had an opportunity to, really kind of share my passion for the sport and some other partners and brands and that type of thing have found the value in, kind of working together to spread, spread the love, spread the, spread the info.
06:28 Gloria Chou: Now I know that everything you do is through the lens of your values and that's why I am just so proud to know you but before we get into that, with all the things that you said, right?
When you traditionally think of pr you think of like, oh, I got on like a, you know, 50 under 50 or 60, 160 like, but all the things that you're saying are even more incredible than just what normally people label as pr. So since you've joined our pr set pack, you've obviously opened yourself up to so many different opportunities. But why, why do you think people need to think about pr not just like logos on their website because you've been able to get pr, to work for you in so many other ways.
07:04 Dr. Greta Anderson: Yeah, I think that the power of PR comes in it, helps it, it helps you understand that you, you never know who's watching and that can be a good thing or bad thing depending on how you choose to view it.
I found that with just stepping out there and even just a little bit, I realized like, oh my gosh, I have the opportunity to help further my mission, my personal mission even more than I knew just because I spoke out and that gave others who were kind of watching over here the opportunity to see like, oh, this could be a match or oh, if she can do it, I can do it or whatever the case may be. So it really does serve as this kind of impetus for, to fuel the growth of your business and your mission and your brand. And so you gotta do it.
07:59 Gloria Chou: Yeah, I, I love that. And for those of you who are listening, we recorded probably a year ago with doctor Greta and that was all around impostor syndrome. So definitely go check that out after this episode, I'll put it in the show notes. So, Doctor Greta, you join the starter pack, you're pitching yourself for port opportunities and when you see everything as an opportunity, it's just more opportunities. Right.
08:20 Dr. Greta Anderson: Right.
08:21 Gloria Chou: Everything shifts, right. I want to talk a little bit about something that no one really talks about. When you talk about PR people approach it very logically. It's maybe good for business. Its traffic leads to visibility. But for me and you, I know that this work is sacred and it's really a form of social justice. So can you tell me a little bit more about why you would connect the word pr with racial and social justice, which people don't really think about.
08:47 Dr. Greta Anderson: No, because you have to shine a light on the ugly to get it out of the way. I mean, that's what happens. And so, in golf, we know that golf has been loaded with some baggage and some history that has not been very good, if you know, frankly, right, it has not been a very welcoming sport historically to people who were not white and not male. Let's just call it what it is.
And so as a woman, a woman of color, I am an exception. I mean, there, there are many, many brown and black people that are playing golf right now. We're still the exception. Golf is a phenomenal sport for many reasons. And for that, the door has been closed, but we're, we've kicked the door down and so shining a light on these things that, you know, let me back it up a little bit when you have an unpleasant experience. Oftentimes, for whatever reason, we tend to think, even though we know that these things may be happening elsewhere, it was very visceral and it happened to you. We tend to kind of want it to go away. You know, we might think about it, but we kind of shove it in the closet.
But guess what? that just allows it to continue and others who have experience and have shared experiences are feeling the same way. So you have a bunch of people out here thinking like, oh, it was just me or this or that when it wasn't. So I realized that hey, when these things happen, they're happening to people. I've kind of got thick skin. I've been in kind of what they call country club sports my entire life between tennis and golf. I've kind of run the gamut between walking in the clubhouse and somebody thinking I was the person cleaning or I was this or that instead of being, you know, a player for them, whatever the case may be, that doesn't mean it's right. But I've developed a kind of a harder skin. But I also know that there are many people who are coming into the sport who may not have that and this stuff is really pushing them away, which is precisely what a handful of, less than ideal people want.
Well, we know that this is a great game and it's for everyone. So I view it as my responsibility, my calling in many ways. I know that might sound hokey to some people. But it is to me, it's really a calling to help shine the light on this ugliness, as I mentioned to you, I mean, that I had an experience that was very unpleasant just a couple of weeks ago. And instead of just kind of internalizing that I said, no, I've got to share this with my community and, and, and, and, and when I made an episode of my podcast about it, it was one of the most listened to episodes. And no, I'm not saying that to promote them. So I'm saying that because instantly so many people reacted and communicated with me like, gosh, don't get great.
I've had something similar or this or that it's happening. And the only way to help people still feel, feel more welcome into the sport is to let them know like we're together in this and we're going to get these assholes out of here and we're going to have to just do what we got to do, but we're not going away, right? We are here and we belong here just like everyone else. So in terms of social justice, no, it is certainly not like voting in that then the gravity of the vote and that type of thing is a next level as compared to something like golf. But social justice is real. I mean, we belong here. And so that is my little corner of the world to make a difference. And that's what I'm here for.
12:21 Gloria Chou: Yeah. And like you are taking up space and being on the golf magazines, right? You being on the youtube channels, you being on the field career is just a reflection of that. So that's why it's our sacred duty to take up space on earned media
12:34 Dr. Greta Anderson: Right, exactly.
12:35 Gloria Chou: Because that gives you way more, more reach than social media, which really brings you into your audience. So we don't have to go into deep detail about what happened and I, but you did tell me that something very awful and racist did happen to you where you were basically treated as nothing but invisible. And, and, and this is why we have to do this work, right?
We have to show up and do pr and show up. So is there anything that you want to share with people? For a lot of times people who have amazing stories. One thing I always get is people say I have nothing to share or I'm not ready to share or you know, or they feel like there's this imaginary bar they have to meet in order to be pr worthy. So what do you have to say?
13:16 Dr. Greta Anderson: No, no, there is no, I mean, everyone has a story, right? And if I was, I feel like this, if whatever that stirring or that calling or that story is, if it was enough to, to drive you forward in creating a business or a brand or even the idea for that business or brand, then honor that and understand that it's a worthy state.
It wouldn't have come into your head if it, if it didn't have some validity, right? And again, in this world where there's so much information, there's so much media, whether that's social or earn or everything in between, you're going to have to be your own advocate.
I think that's one of the things that we have to become comfortable with understanding that we will have great partners along the way, but it's my story to tell. It's your story to tell and you have to get it out there because the nuances of your story are some things that probably only you can best share.
14:19 Gloria Chou: Yeah, 100%. So obviously, the CPR method from the PRC allowed you to get that like first way of talking to people, right?
How are you able to leverage this CPR method of pitching to get other opportunities like that? Maybe people don't really think about using it
14:33 Dr. Greta Anderson: As a game changer. And I've, I think I've probably communicated this to you a million times at this point. But one of the most powerful lessons and assets that I've gained from using the CPR method is I've kind of worked to train myself to think of how I can use my knowledge and skill set to serve other people. Because at the end of the day when I'm communicating with a, with a, with a podcast host or a journalist or whatever the case may be or publication, I mean, they, I won't say they don't care about me, but they don't care about me, right?
How can I help them better serve their audience? That's what I always look for. And I didn't really think about it that way. I was often trying to figure out like, ok, well, how will I introduce myself to them and why will they find it relevant to talk to this little black, you know, this little, you know, little little black, you know, not little demeaning myself at all. But you know I'm saying this, this, this professional, this golf professional. Ok, great. She teaches golf, but they get lots of, you know, pitches on a daily basis.
How would I differentiate myself? And it wasn't until I really began that the framework of CPR method helped me to see like, let's flip the script on that and talk about how we can serve them and then it can become a win-win for everyone, right? Because if I can help you see how this will work. I've got the information in the, in the context to help you and you have the she used to write in or fashion it, however it needs to be. So that's really like the big, big, big takeaway for me. That's always been for me from, from, from the start of the pack.
16:08 Gloria Chou: That's incredible. So, I mean, obviously, and, and you, you have so much knowledge that you bring to the table too, like so much experience and I think any outlet anybody would benefit from talking to you and, and you know, that that's intrinsic.
Is there anything else that you've learned about developing a relationship from, from being strangers with a journalist now getting written up multiple times and how like anything else for people to look ahead, maybe people aren't where you are and haven't gotten all of those things and they're just getting into the starter pack and trying to get their first outlet. What should they know about the process that you've been on
16:43 Dr. Greta Anderson: Slow Steady wins the race and be consistent and be true and of course, be honorable because, you know, I've been, you know, working at this diligently but consistently for a little while now. And I, like, I will give you an example. I was on a call for, I'm on the, on the national committee for well, it's not a secret anymore. So Delta Sigma Theta, there's a national sorority, of which actually I'm a member.
But our national convention in Delta Sigma, Theta is a sorority organization of 350,000 strong African American Women. And at our national convention this summer, we're hosting our first national golf event, Delta's on the Fairways. And so I had the privilege of serving on that committee and using my expertise to help serve in many ways. And so, one of the members came on to the meeting, we were talking about some things and she said, well, I have to tell you Dr Greta, everywhere I turn and ask about golf, you pop up whether that's conversation or Google or this or that. And I said, well, good. And so what I began to realize is that this is, this is the work of using the CPR method.
If you're in here or there, if you're, if you're looking around and inquiring about golf in a particular context that she was, you were running into me, which is what this is all about, right? So that's what I say, like it didn't happen overnight and there's still much work to be done, but this is how the process works. So, be consistent and be true and remember the one thing that everything that, you know, we're in the digital world. So things don't just, you know, go in the trash man and, and go away, they're always there. So put your best foot forward and remember that what you say is going to stay out there, you know, so those are the types of things, but that's a good thing, right? Because if you're being true to yourself and being very intentional and committed to your story and your calling, then it'll be great things.
18:50 Gloria Chou: Yeah. And you can change your mind, your business can evolve.
18:52 Dr. Greta Anderson: Evolution is for sure. It isn't. I hope we will all evolve in some way and, and, and our level of sophistication will evolve and that type of thing. So yeah, but that would be the big thing.
19:04 Gloria Chou: I think that's awesome. Now, obviously, you know, we have the media database in the pr starter pack. But what if someone's not in the starter pack yet?Like how can they start to just be a good steward of the news and understand what angle? Because they might think, well, I have so many different things to say, like which one should I pick first? Do you have any hacks or tips and tricks on what stories to pitch to win and for what platform?
19:24 Dr. Greta Anderson: Well, that is the thing because most of us, right, we kind of, we will have many, many different things in our mind. Like how we are, there's so many ways if you have a servant's heart, you have a servant's heart. And there's so many ways that you can see and think about serving. I think the one thing to do is to kind of have to be patient with yourself, but also decisive in that, make a decision about what, what's the angle you're going to take for now and, and work that and then, you know, as we just said, things evolve and, and mature and, you know, paths diverge and that type of thing, but commit to that.
And, you know, for some of us, you know, depending on what the product or service is, it may be more seasonal or whatever the case may be. But be intentional about your path, you know, it can't be kind of all over the place that doesn't really serve anybody because also remember it kind of all ties in. If a journalist, let's just say you submit a pitch, there's a good chance that they might go and check you out, right? Where on your social media. So if one minute you're talking about this and one minute you're talking about that and they're like, well, I thought she was an ex, she's telling me in this pitch. She's an expert in this.
But when I look on here, she's talking about X Y and Z but she's saying that she spends time on ABC, is that a match? Not a match. So thinking about those things because those are things that we can control, you control what you post, right? You control, you know, all of these things come together to make your presentation as a professional for someone to see in terms of partnering with you for pr.
20:53 Gloria Chou: Yeah, I recommend everyone listening to really just get a piece of paper and write out the 3 to 5 topics that you want to talk about and it's not about talking about everything. It's not about being pigeonholed into one thing, but you can talk about many things. So for example, for you, Dr Greta, you can talk about being a lifelong learner. You can talk about D E I, you can talk about what's changing in golf. You can talk about sunscreen and protecting your skin. So those are your topics.
And as you can hear, as I'm telling this, it covers many different issues. And I think the more that we realize that the world is our oyster and even if you make a beauty product, it's not just you talking about makeup, right? It could be about sustainability, it could be about representation. It could be about different shades of foundation.
Your world just starts to expand. So I really want everyone to just get a piece of paper and talk about like three or five bullet points that they want to talk about and then narrow it down from there. So that's a great point. Is there anything else you found like connecting with journalists or maybe following up if they don't respond or how do you create an opportunity and a win in unseemly uns seeming places.
21:58 Dr. Greta Anderson: I always emphasize that it's funny. It was just before we came on, I was, I sent an email and I was about an, about an event and I was sitting in there, we have a good rapport. So I always want to remind you that my goal and my intention is to be a great partner. I view everything I go into, hoping that we can create a partnership, not just this purely transactional relationship.
Because when things come up, I want to be one of those people that come to the top of their thought list, right? Oh, we need an article about or we're looking to do a piece about this Greta. That's what I want versus, you know, this kind of one and done thing.
I just don't find it in this season of my life at this point. You know, if I look back on my journey thus far, I see that the most valuable outcomes have come from relationships versus just kind of hey, this and that, right? So that's really where I strive to create relationships just like in life.
This is more for me. I don't, I've never really kind of been this person. Like I need to know everybody. I need to be the most popular. I want you to know that I'm in depth about the things that I do spend time on whether that's friendships or education or whatever the case may be. So that's kind of how I operate when it comes to creating opportunities with, with journalists and that type of thing.
23:20 Gloria Chou: And now with everyone going freelance and writing for multiple outlets, even a double win, because if you have one journalist in your back pocket, they'll write for many different ones and it's not a one undone because you've proven yourself to be a very credible, thought leader and source.
So they're going to keep writing about you. You just need to get on to their contact list. Now obviously install a Google news alert, right? So that's one thing, a good steward of the news. Is there anything else that journalists who are, or founders who are just getting started with pr like some good practices that they should practice?
23:52 Dr. Greta Anderson: Well, one of the things that I had to get comfortable with was following up, you know, you're going to like, well, they got the email. I know they get like 10,000 emails a day. It's just, you know, me, I'm kind of new at this. They don't want to hear from me again. They're going to block me if they're going to block me, they're going to block me. Right. I, but I need to know and sometimes it's precisely that they have so many things going that that little tickler can be the difference between you. Like, you know what, I'm thank you for sending me that reminder, Gretta I've been on vacation. I got this, I got married. I got all of these things. The longest, shortest, we'd love to do a piece.
Can you sketch out this, this, this, this and this and then you're like, oh, so I always say like, what's on the other side of me hitting this, you know, send button is what I want and just remember that. I mean, again, those relationships again, I'm not saying, hey, how come you haven't responded to me? You know, I, I fashion things, hey, just following up, right?
24:50 Gloria Chou: Yeah, because you're not being sleazy. You're not being like, why are you not buying my point? You're like, hey, I gave you three tips for not getting sunburn on the, on the, on the field. Like though you're helping people.
And I think that's the beauty of knowing how to do pr because you're learning how to have a non sales but value driven conversation with everyone. And this is a, this is a work that I think will be, this is the $10,000 an hour task and I would do that all day then twiddle my thumbs trying to make a cam graphic, right? That I can, I can delegate. So now you've gotten paid sponsorships, paid consulting, using the CPR method to be all this and you have your own podcast. What's next for you?
25:29 Dr. Greta Anderson: You know, the, the, what's next for me is, is the evolution of my instruction is, you know, I'm, I'm a golf, a golf educator. And so this journey as an educator and as a researcher, I, I, I cannot, I could not, cannot take the credit for architect in this, you know, who knew that 2020 however many years ago, when I was a graduate student working on research related to persistence, which is just kind of, you know, the fancy word for staying in the educational process would be directly connected to the research that I'm that I'm fashioning and doing now as a golf educator, I've, I've always understood anecdotally how particularly for female adult golf learners.
The process is a bit different, particularly for women who are, you know, women in general, but particularly for non-white women, it looks, the process looks very different. And so the beauty of it is I'm adapting and kind of my own little passion project here, but it's turned into applied research as we call it, right? Putting it into my business to help grow the game, right? And help more women learn. What I know is this alone on the show? I won't get into all the boring details of the research itself.
But there are three pillars, the coaching, curriculum, and community. If any one of those three legs of the stool are not there for most women adult learners coming to the game. As adults, the stool is going to fall over and it's not going to work. They can be the most fabulous ball strikers and all the types of things. No community is going to fall over. They can be against any two of those three, they're out of the game so that the important thing is to make this great kind of triangle for them. So building a curriculum that can support women no matter where they live, they don't have to live near me. Right?Programming so that I can help people all over.
Also creating some amazing events so that folks can come in very specific ways and come work with me if they so choose along with those events that I've had over the years in other parts of the world. But really honing in on that because that's where my great passion is. I know that there are many women who get in the game and they begin swinging, which is great, but they don't take the next step. And in fact, I kind of had this focus group a couple of weeks ago inadvertently, I'm always a researcher.
So I always get to do stuff like that when I have an opportunity and very interesting, these are highly educated, high earning women, all they've got it going on and to a woman, they all said that they didn't declare themselves as golfers in conversation, whether that was in the boardroom or at the, you know, the, the, you know, white tie, you know, white, you know, the, the black tie event because they didn't feel confident about some other soft skills that go with golfing. So they know how to hit a ball. But the, but in the presence of other people, they would not call themselves, declare themselves to be golfers. And so things like that show me that we've got a little bit more work to do and that's really kind of how I'm, that's the overlying arts around all of my golf instruction and my services.
28:49 Gloria Chou:
Oh, that's so good. I mean, that's really what I think about anyone who is an info person, like anyone who is in the business of coaching others with information, you need those three pillars.
And when I look at my community too, we have those three, we have a coaching curriculum in the community. So thank you for wrapping that up. You're so smart. And that's, yeah, I never thought about it that way, but every online entrepreneur who has a community needs to have that. So thank you so much. And how can people find you?
We definitely need to go to ATL because last time we had our monthly call, we had pr other ATL pr members in there. So I cannot wait to do an in-person gathering. But how can people find you whether it's about golf, whether it's about persistence, whether it's about impostor syndrome or just doing something that is difficult but doing it anyway.
29:35 Dr. Greta Anderson: Sure. So a bunch of ways. So I'm on social media at @DrGretaGolf. That's where you can find me.
But then, and then on linkedin, I'm Dr Greta, no golf there. But you can go to my website, guess what? Doctorgretagolf.com. And you can find all the things about Mount Me there and directions to get to me. And if you didn't and you want to take a try at our podcast and listen. It's called the Smart Golfer podcast. It comes out every Wednesday and would love to have you take a listen.
30:07 Gloria Chou:
Thank you so much, Doctor Greta. I am so in awe of you and thank you for being part of our community. I'm so grateful that I know you.
30:14 Dr. Greta Anderson: Likewise, I'm so thankful that, you know, you, you, you stepped out there and built this and you're doing such great work to serve so many people. We all love you madly and there's a reason that you are growing, your business is growing like wild wildfires because it's so valuable to so many people. So, thank you.
30:35 Gloria Chou: Well, we are all doing our part to shine a light on others.
30:39 - Outro